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  1. That's a logical fallacy; slippery slope, I think. Or it's just acting like a twelve-year-old. DAD: "Get your feet off the coffee table." KID: "YOU NEVER LET ME DO ANYTHING!" It's a way to try to deflect the obligation to think about what you did or said and why someone might not agree with you. There are not an infinite number of people in the world, and besides that, women are literally half of the human population: Try not to be a jerk to or about them is all. Maybe listen to them when they tell you what it's like to be a female athlete in male-dominated sports or just, you know, in the world. Here's a great place to start, for example: Or here: https://www.outsideonline.com/2313816/caroline-gleich-sexism You could read the many stories that are coming out from women about bullying in the outdoor industry. https://www.outsideonline.com/2309306/what-we-can-learn-climbings-bullying-saga You could read about the difficulties that women face just being online in general: https://psmag.com/social-justice/women-arent-welcome-internet-72170 You could just read and listen to those things without having to have a response to them. You are not required to respond; you are only being asked to listen. Or you could just do the thing that every great philosopher from Confucius to Jesus to Mister Rogers instructs us to do: treat other people the way you'd want to be treated. So, ok, maybe you're not sure about posting sexy pics of female athletes. You like sexy pics of women, right? Who doesn't!? Well, other women for one thing, especially when those pics are of athletes and they don't seem to be particularly....athletic. I bet your Spidey Senses tingled a bit to alert you that posting a sexualized pic of a female athlete was probably not a great idea for some reason. Nah, they're sexy pics! I'll post them! Then you get some pushback and you're surprised because you're a good guy. You support women athletes. Your friends on the forum are good guys, too. So this woman complaining should just shut up, because we're nice guys and we support women. So you shout down the buzz-kill interloper who seems to be telling you you're not a nice guy. That's predictable and understandable. Also boring and stifling. The women in the pictures posted on NMS were being displayed as sexual objects, not athletes. (The fact that they are athletes was simply the pretext for taking the pictures). That demeans their athletic accomplishments, it perpetuates a system in which women need to be attractive in a certain way and allow themselves to be objectified in order to get sponsorships and pursue their sports, and it reinforces the notion that women as a whole exist for the purpose of male pleasure. That last point is dangerous; it perpetuates a culture in which statistics show that women are the victims of violence in extraordinary numbers at the hands of men they know. It deepens the sense of normality when political parties and religious organizations promote patriarchal legislation that curtails women's rights to health care and decent treatment in the workplace. So the way we talk about and visually portray people matters very, very much. What may seem trivial to you may matter a LOT to someone else. So I'm just saying that half of the human population experiences the world a bit differently from you, which is why they don't always like the stuff you like. You could spend your time shouting down those people. That's certainly the status quo. Or you could just make a tiny effort to listen.
  2. Ah, I didn't make my point clearly: I don't want to contribute because this is not a pleasant space for me. What you're asking me to do is to ignore the very things that make it unpleasant and just post MTB trip reports and the like. I don't want to share my activities or anything about myself here because it's not a welcoming place for me. That was my point: you're missing interesting and valuable voices. If you want to do something about that, that's up to you. Make this a place that those voices want to spend time. EDIT: I'm a member of two other online ski communities, btw. One is women-only and the other is my old local forum that's about 95% male. They are both excellent, informative, and fun sites through which I've met lots of wonderful people. There are other options, in other words. NMS fills the need for a New England-specific site, but right now it's in the "not worth it" category.
  3. Oh good, you decided to stay! Still looking forward to seeing some quality content posted from you on this site about the stuff you do like (not just about stuff you don't like). Summer is always tough on these sites so could use your contributions now more than ever. For example, any good MTB rides lately? We could use more riding trip reports. Not staying, just lurking for a while. The exchanges here prompted me to work on a project about women's participation in outdoor-focused online communities, so I have an interest in sticking around a bit longer to see how the comments on this particular thread shake out. Like many women, I find that male-dominated sites often turn out to be unwelcoming or just unpleasant places to hang around; at best, they fall into the "not worth it" category and women participants simply fade away. Here's one example of why that's a shame: What you call the "stuff I don't like" I don't like for reasons that are pretty important to me, and that have an impact on my day-to-day life. It seems unfair to criticize a person for being "negative" about things that are actually causing them harm. This might be easier to understand if there were more women here because instead of one outlier voice that is easily marginalized, you might have seen some common themes expressed in sheer numbers that would have been more compelling. Anyway, I'll hang around a bit and then take Puck it's charming advice and get lost.
  4. Telling someone "Don't click if you don't like it" is absurd logic; how are you supposed to know what the content is until you click on it? What Puck it is really saying is "Let me say and do whatever I want with no negative response ever, because anyone who disagrees with me has just gone mad with PC." These are tough times for the patriarchy. I mean dang it why should he have to consider the existence of people who aren't him?
  5. "We need more open and honest dialogue" but also I shouldn't talk about one third of this thread because you want to pretend it doesn't exist? Because it took place in that ancient time period of one year ago? Also, I said that media culture was insulting to female athletes, not the individual athlete's decisions, which take place within and are shaped by that culture along with more blunt economic considerations such as sponsorships. It does not diminish a person's agency to note that the context in which that agency is able to be deployed is constrained. I called out NMS because those words and pictures have been sitting there for a year and nobody contradicted them. Nobody asked why Puck-it and others were posting pictures of bikers that had nothing to do with biking. And yeah, I also happened upon the thread with photos of women at the starting tents of ski race and a bunch of NMS posters are commenting on the women's asses. The couple of people who tried to speak up about it were shouted down**, so I'm not seeing much in the way of open and honest dialogue here. I thought this place was supposed to be a better version of AZ or something; I haven't been around enough to totally understand the issues there, but I was rooting for this place to succeed. But this demographic really says a lot. Well over 40% of skiers are women, but this is a pretty typical demographic breakdown of participationon ski forums, and that means that your open and honest dialogue is really missing an awful lot of voices. I wonder why that is? Anyway, I gotta run and I won't likely be back here; it's just not my cup of tea, but I wasn't much of a poster anyway, so who cares. **EDIT: Sorry, I got AZ and NMS confused there, probably because there wasn't much difference. The ass shots were on AZ, but there were plenty of equally-charmless pics and comments on NMS.
  6. Indeed, photos are subjective. For example, when I look at this photo of a woman wearing full makeup and taking her clothes off in a Flashdance-style rain storm that was taken from an article called "The World's Hottest Pro Cyclist," and that wouldn't be out of place on the front page of PornHub, I see a powerful athlete, too. But I see a one whose athleticism is being deliberately diminished by a media culture that thinks the only way the general public will value female athletes is as objects of sexual attraction. Frankly, that's insulting not just to the athletes, but to their fans, as well.
  7. Thank you; I do indeed plan to take lessons. I find they are a bit of a crapshoot, though. I've paid good money only to be told vague things like "let the skis do the work," which is singularly unhelpful. What I'd really like is a coach. Someone I could see once a week for a few hours and really give me honest criticism and feedback and drills, etc. I'm not sure where to begin looking for an arrangement like that, though.
  8. Roger that. I wouldn't demean male athletes by sexualizing their physical appearance, though. I appreciate the kind and helpful feedback I've received here on NMS and wish the site the best as it grows in both readers and content.
  9. Really, NMS? Pinup pictures of scantily-clad female athletes and comments about which ones you want to "mount"? WTF?
  10. Idle early-summer thoughts: I have a pass at Magic for next year, as well as a mid-week Okemo pass. I am an intermediate groomer-zoomer who cannot really ski bumps. "Why ever did you get a Magic pass then?" I can hear you thinking. Well, because I don't want to stay an intermediate groomer-zoomer; I would like to be able to ski more interesting terrain. Not gnar, just interesting. So my question is: What are a couple of things I should start working on right away next season in order to work toward gradually expanding the terrain that am able to ski at Magic? And second question: For those who know Magic well, what do you recommend as a trail progression? I've done Upper and Lower Wizard, Trick, Magic Carpet and Show-off, so basically all the easiest groomers, What should I try to aspire to? Thanks for indulging some next-season daydreaming.
  11. That's a fair point well taken. I know they've sold quite a few more season passes this year than last. Those chairs are slow indeed, and any significant line would cut into your runs-per-day pretty dramatically, I would think. No amount of old-school charm can mitigate that kind of frustration.
  12. I just moved to Central VT (West Windsor) and I don't know what my work schedule will be next winter, or even where I'll be working, or even in what sector of the econ...well, you get the idea. So I bought an Okemo weekday pass for $279 and a Magic Mountain Blackout Pass for $399. (you can ski any time except for the big hlolidays). So under six hundred bucks for seven-day skiing. Magic is about an hour away, Okemo is 30 minutes.I am an intermediate groomer-zoomer trying hard to progress, and I thought that Magic offered: 1. A really great vibe and great people, from my limited experience so far. 2. Probably less crowded weekends than other resorts. 3. A focus on ungroomed and natural terrain that will hopefully make me a better skier if I commit to working hard, taking lessons, and skiing with better skiers who are patient and willing to help out. 4. They seem to be expanding snowmaking and trying to make more intermediate terrain accessible, and I'm willing to jump on board early in their journey even if it means limited terrain until I get better. 5. I'd rather have limited and challenging terrain than deal with Okemo-type weekend crowds. So that's my plan. I'll report back to this Bat-Channel late next season and see how it goes.
  13. I second the Facesaver mask mentioned above. I can't control condensation on any facemask/balaclava that I've tried (Airhole, Serius, etc.) . The Facesaver is perfect. It's always in the back pocket of my pants and I pull it out if it's either extremely cold and/or snowing. Just make sure to take it off when you take your helmet off or you'll get some strange looks in the lodge.
  14. Aha, well that's why I come here: for the practical wisdom! Stratton it is! Honestly, I'm probably not a good enough skier to really appreciate Magic anyway. Thanks, all!

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