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1 hour ago, xwhaler said:

At what point do they just decide to shut the lift down for the season?
They will probably close Tash Sunday 3/31 or maybe open for 1 final wknd in April but the clock is ticking on the season for them.
 

Considering they haven't even identified the problem, you have to wonder. But honestly I don't think they'll give up on the lift for the season if they can at all help it. Closing without that lift running again would be too harmful to spring pass sales. They want to prove that lift is functional again to stop the constant bad publicity and partially mute the cries for a new lift.

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Money. Peak Resorts will pinch a nickel until it shits. Even when they buy something new, it is on interest-only payments on subprime terms. They are a pyramid of toxic debt.


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They seam to spend quite a lot on Mt Blow and Hunter

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UPDATED 3/14/19

Morning Update: With the planetary gear and drive undergoing testing, we are awaiting new information from the good folks at Artec. In the meantime, we wanted to let you know that the Summit Triple will not be operational this weekend. Stay tuned for further updates.

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It's official. Dead for the season!

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Good Afternoon,

It is my unfortunate duty to inform you all that despite the best efforts of our lift mechanic team here at Attitash – as well as that of outside specialists – we will be unable to reopen the Summit Triple for the remainder of the 2018/2019 season.

For some background, the work thus far has been all about trying to get access to the upper bearing in the bullwheel hub that allows the bullwheel to spin. While we have been able to access this bearing and have indeed found that it is damaged, upon further inspection we noticed an issue with some of the nosecone gearing in the upper gearbox of the lift. Further testing at Artec has shown us that these gears are not meshing properly.  Unfortunately, this prohibits us from operating the lift safely.

We are now in the process of sourcing new gearing for the upper gearbox, but the company that originally made these gears is not only based in Switzerland and requires a four to six week lead time to produce the new gearing. With the tolerances needed for the inner workings of this lift, there is really only one company in the world capable of doing the work needed. Due to this, the resulting repair process will have to be finished over the coming summer.

While I wish I had better news for you, I am confident that we will go into next season with a fully functioning Summit Triple. The upside of all the work we’ve done on this lift this season is that now two-thirds of the lift has been rebuilt, inspected, and/or tested in the past year, along with plenty of upcoming scheduled maintenance this summer. With all of this work, we’re confident that we will once again be able to offer reliable summit access via the Summit Triple for the 2019/2020 season.

Now for the elephant in the room. We’ve heard your calls for a new lift to replace the Summit Triple, and while we appreciate all your feedback, this is not a project our parent company, Peak Resorts, is looking to do in the near future. While we continue to invest significant amounts of money in capital projects annually into Attitash and Wildcat, a new lift is just not in the plans for the near future. I know this is not what you all wanted to hear, but we feel that our passholders and guests all deserve an answer one way or another.

We know this has been a frustrating process for you all, as it has been for us as well, and we would like to thank you for your patience and kind words during this process.

 

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3 hours ago, Weatherman said:

Now for the elephant in the room. We’ve heard your calls for a new lift to replace the Summit Triple, and while we appreciate all your feedback, this is not a project our parent company, Peak Resorts, is looking to do in the near future. While we continue to invest significant amounts of money in capital projects annually into Attitash and Wildcat, a new lift is just not in the plans for the near future. I know this is not what you all wanted to hear, but we feel that our passholders and guests all deserve an answer one way or another.

I do give them massive kudos for being upfront about this.

I will be seriously reevaluating getting a Peaks pass next year. While I ski Wildcat a bunch, I got very little value out of Crotched and Attitash this year and Wildcat had decent sized lines mid-season (potentially driven there because of Attitash problems). Plus, in a poor snow year, January groomers at Attitash give a lot of value to the Peaks pass but not if there is no summit access. I don't believe the lift will be fine next year, 2/3rds of it replaced or not. Wildcat is fantastic when there's snow, when there isn't it struggles majorly, IMO.

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I sent a copy of this thread to Peaks on Instagram and all I got back was we are well aware, thanks for sharing though. The forum will not allow me to attach my screen shot though - I get this message - this community does not support attachments with this file type.

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20 minutes ago, Infinite Dreams said:

I sent a copy of this thread to Peaks on Instagram and all I got back was we are well aware, thanks for sharing though. The forum will not allow me to attach my screen shot though - I get this message - this community does not support attachments with this file type.

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Try doing it from the web interface rather than the app. It is much more fully featured.

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On 3/11/2019 at 10:49 AM, Weatherman said:

Closing without that lift running again would be too harmful to spring pass sales. They want to prove that lift is functional again to stop the constant bad publicity and partially mute the cries for a new lift.

So much for that

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I'm personally of the opinion that having a HSQ to the summit of Attitash would neither attract nor detract customer demand.
I think the primary client of Attitash is there because it is close to N Conway, has slopeside lodging (something not common in the MWV) and is generally a good place to bring a family due to having terrain for all ability levels .

Also, it's less crowded than Loon with more amenities than Wildcat while being larger than Cranmore so there is going to naturally be some demand for that.

As a standalone mtn I think not having the HSQ would hurt them more than being tied in with Wildcat. I'd guess that most of the Peaks passholders in the area are buying passes primarily to ski Wildcat.
The day trip/week long ski and stay patron is keeping Attitash afloat (in addition to their summer operation)
Not having a HSQ to one of their peaks I don't think keeps that family from coming to Tash. They can look and say we can get to the top of Bear Peak on a fast lift.

I'm not sure the Wildcat skier has many other options as well and Peaks knows this so they wont really lose a significant # of passes just because the summit triple is old and slow at Attitash.

I also don't think for the advanced/expert day tripper that having a fast sumitt lift would make folks spend their $ at Attitash over a different mtn (say Cannon)
The terrain off the sumitt (wilfred's gawm) and just below (tim's trauma, idiot's option) is a lot of fun but I know I personally wouldn;t go there just for that (HSQ or not)
 

I enjoy Attitash/Bear Peak (my family owned a condo nearby for 8 yrs and I have hundreds of days there)     However until/unless they get split up from Wildcat I don;t think peaks has any real incentive to change anything up.
Back in the ASC days attitash had to and did try harder.

just my $.02

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17 minutes ago, xwhaler said:

I also don't think for the advanced/expert day tripper that having a fast sumitt lift would make folks spend their $ at Attitash over a different mtn (say Cannon)
The terrain off the sumitt (wilfred's gawm) and just below (tim's trauma, idiot's option) is a lot of fun but I know I personally wouldn;t go there just for that (HSQ or not)

I by and large agree with you, which sucks. What frustrates me about Attitash is it is really close to being awesome. If they left either Tim's or Idiot's ungroomed and had a few glades off the summit, Attitash Peak with a HSQ would be one of the best trail pods in NH IMO. It has fairly sustained steep pitch for a couple hundred vertical, not something many other places in NH can say.

But Attitash as is would not suddenly grab a bunch of skiers with a summit HSQ. advanced/experts would still go to Cannon/Wildcat in the state and families can't really ski the summit terrain so they would continue to go to Loon, Cranmore, Waterville for wider and easier blue groomers.

I feel like Tash needs an image change with the summit terrain. How many people want to drive to North Conway (as opposed to the I93 areas) to ski steep groomers every weekend? They are out there, and love Tash, but there aren't that many of them.

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Yup, totally agree...the steep groomer mtn in NH is Cannon (along with obviously offering a lot of other awesome terrain)

The classic New England mtn is Wildcat---Loon is for the yuppie Ma$$Hole to hang out and be seen. Bretton Woods is and older clientele who appreciates impeccable snowmaking and grooming.

Attitash definitely has an image problem in that I'm not sure they are really that great at anything or known for anything---I think of Attitash as very much like Waterville Valley...competition around them renders them somewhat of a niche mtn which is hard to do when you run a 7 day operation spread across 2 peaks.

Probably why you saw WV stay stagnant for many yrs until the recent Green Peak expansion (which IMHO was really well done and really changes the way WV skis for the better)

Hard to justify big expense if it won't lead to more customers or really detract from your existing customer base. Plus if Peaks is seeing tremendous growth at Hunter/Mt Snow it's only smart business to send resources there.
 

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Everything that @xwhaler and @Jully just posted is really insightful and cuts to the heart of Attitash's problems. I 100% agree with all of it.  One thing neither of them said (probably because they both felt it was obvious) is the location and distance to get there.  So I'll state the obvious just to add it to the conversation.   A potential customer has to drive past all of the other competing mountains to get there!  If Attitash had all of its existing issues but was quicker to get to than Waterville, Loon, Cannon, Bretton Woods,  and Cranmore it might steal away some of the market.  The only place (slightly) farther is Wildcat, but they aren't really in competition. From the 93 side especially it's crazy to drive all the way past the others for what Attitash offers. From the Rt 16 side they do a little better. But that cuts the potential market down by a lot.  

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https://www.conwaydailysun.com/business/local/attitash-summit-triple-chair-repairs-not-to-be-completed-til/article_ec66abae-4a7c-11e9-aea9-ef349b04cb2f.html

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Last week’s announcement has only heightened those frustrations, according to passholder and trailside renter Ryan Russman, an attorney from Exeter who is involved in an unrelated litigation on behalf of a client at Attitash.

In a telephone interview Tuesday, Russman said he doesn’t know what avenues passholders might take in response to the latest announcement, but he said he hopes that Peak Resorts gets the message that many Attitash consumers are not happy.

“I am just stunned that Peak is not making the investment in the mountain. Literally the dollars they are spending are being shipped out of state to improve Hunter Mountain and Mount Snow,” Russman said, referring to resorts Peak owns in New York State and Vermont.

He said he heard that passholders are holding a meeting this weekend to discuss their options. Russman added that nearby Bretton Woods has made substantial infrastructure investments in its lift capacity. He wishes that Attitash would do the same.

“The deal is they are just going to repair the triple. They are going to repair it into the ground,” said Russman, who said his young family prefers skiing at Attitash because of the trailside rental lodging option, which makes it convenient for family breaks during ski days for his kids.

“The bottom line is Attitash (in the past) has billed itself as the ‘Red Carpet Ski Area.’ Well, the red carpet is getting worn out,” he said.

Russman and other passholders have alleged that Peak has been funneling money into other projects at other resorts at Attitash’s expense, a claim that Lowell and other Peak Resorts officials refuted.

 

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As someone who once ran afoul of the law and had to hire russman, I would not want him working against me. Dude is a fighter with a serious aversion to losing.

In other news, I called the grand yesterday and not a single vacancy this weekend.

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7 hours ago, thebigo said:

As someone who once ran afoul of the law and had to hire russman, I would not want him working against me. Dude is a fighter with a serious aversion to losing.

In other news, I called the grand yesterday and not a single vacancy this weekend.

Is this the same guy who does "Ask an Attorney" on the morning Buzz once a week?  Definitely a smart dude.

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1 hour ago, MassNerd said:

Is this the same guy who does "Ask an Attorney" on the morning Buzz once a week?  Definitely a smart dude.

Yes

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Attitash had a quote to put a new lift up the old top notch double chair line 4 or 5 years ago for 4 Mil, how foolish were they to pass on that,  Peaks resort needs someone that has some vision, or gives a crap about skiing  to turn the ship at Attitash. If they don't  NH will need to widen 302 to handle  the additional  traffic to BW

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I can tell you the staff (mid level managers) that I am friends with there are pretty discouraged by the whole thing. Say what you want about lack of ROI on a new lift but people are pretty livid with how little has gone into the hill since 2007.

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8 hours ago, newpylong said:

I can tell you the staff (mid level managers) that I am friends with there are pretty discouraged by the whole thing. Say what you want about lack of ROI on a new lift but people are pretty livid with how little has gone into the hill since 2007.

Do you get any sense of apprehension regarding the longterm viability of peaks among your contacts? Are they waiting for peaks to go under or be solvent?

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6 minutes ago, Infinite Dreams said:

I'm officially out for next season. Just paid for the Epic passes and transferred my timeshare to Stowe for next January. Be spending lots of time at Sunapee and Okemo next year. emoji3555.png

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Who can blame you? Probably the right choice. If people vote against Peaks with their wallets, maybe they will have to re-prioritize Attiash. 

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Location is both to the benefit, and detriment of Peaks Attitash operation.  If green\blues commit to North Conway, where else is close.  But, route 16 is a journey.  Route 93\3 areas are all shorter\easier rides.  Including BW. 

We have a family house in Sanbornville.  Years ago, used to ski 16 alot.  But, 2 hours to house, then most of an hour to go thru North Conway.  So now, very rare.  Mostly, motel in Lincoln, then to BW.

Also, for the route 16 market, consider what impact  Gunstock has.  County resident discounts too.

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13 hours ago, Puckoach said:

Location is both to the benefit, and detriment of Peaks Attitash operation.  If green\blues commit to North Conway, where else is close.  But, route 16 is a journey.  Route 93\3 areas are all shorter\easier rides.  Including BW. 

We have a family house in Sanbornville.  Years ago, used to ski 16 alot.  But, 2 hours to house, then most of an hour to go thru North Conway.  So now, very rare.  Mostly, motel in Lincoln, then to BW.

Also, for the route 16 market, consider what impact  Gunstock has.  County resident discounts too.

IMO NorthConway  Is a great Ski town, has a lot to offer, Its a real shame Attitash has gone downhill in recent years, I am a fan of rt 16, have driven or rode on for 56 years . I live in Newbury and its 2;05 to Attitash and 2;15 to Wildcat . Cannon is just over 2 hours also from my house , Burke is 3 hours on the 93 route

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